Anti-pollution system faulty

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Re: Anti-pollution system faulty

Mesajde luci84tm » Lun 22-Iun-2020 17:16

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Citroen-C5-3-II ... SwJcNeJxsx

S-ar putea sa fie asta codul corect de la PSA?
TRPSAK630
Nu as cumpara ceva second, incerc doar sa indentific corect codul ca sa stiu ce sa iau aftermarket.

Asta ar parea sa fie unul nou:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/EU5-DPF-Partike ... Sw-mNbfA4c

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Anti-pollution system faulty

Mesajde luci84tm » Lun 22-Iun-2020 20:17

Inca o intrebare:
Am observat ca in diagbox exista o optiune de a forta regenerarea, ar fi asta o varianta, sau e mult prea plin filtrul la mine ?

As risca sa l umplu mai tare daca fortez o regenerare ?


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Re: Anti-pollution system faulty

Mesajde luci84tm » Mie 24-Iun-2020 11:45

@iulian.arg ce parere ai despre punctele de mai sus ?
Stiu ca insist, dar asta e pt ca sunt un pic sub presiune sa rezolv problema. :D

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Re: Anti-pollution system faulty

Mesajde luci84tm » Mie 24-Iun-2020 22:17

Am incercat sa i fortez o regenerare si imi da eroare can nu o poate face, nici pe loc nici in miscare.
Ce mi se pare f ciudat in schimb e ca:
"Distance remaining before
replacement of the particle filter 40845 Km"
Nu stiu pe ce se bazeaza cand zice ca mai duce asa mult filtrul asta desi clar pare ca e full..

btw s ar putea sa ai dreptate cu filtrul de particule, pare sa fie modelul pt Euro4, desi masina si codul motor e EURO5, chiar si in talon imi scrie euro5..
Sunt f confuz, nu stiu exact ce model de filtru am nevoie.
Atasez niste poze de sub masina:
Imagine

Imagine

info particle emission filter din diagbox:

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Engine speed 820 rpm
Particle filter load state Not charged
Particle emission filter load 195 %
Total weight of soot in the particle
filter 32.50 G
Status of the regeneration Active
Particle emission filter upstream
temperature 204 °C
Difference in pressure between
particulate emission filter
input/output
37 mbars
Air flow sensor air temperature 38 °C
Air temperature at inlet manifold 38 °C
Power consuming equipment
activation request No
Air flow volume 36 l/h
Amount of additive in the additive
tank 1420 Ml
Low additive level reached No
User:
Vehicle :
VIN:
Start of vehicle session :
Tool version :
DCM3.4 Particle emission filter (PEF) information
Expert /Global test /Node 3 /Standard parameter measurement /Particle
emission filter (PEF) information
Vehicle \X7 \INJ \DCM34 \X7_DCM34_mesures_parametres_standard.s : 1260_01
Description Value Unit Help
Engine rotational speed, in number of
revolutions per minute
State of clogging of the particle emission filter
with soot
ECU status during a regeneration: it can close
the EGR valve, impose a turbo pressure,
partially close the EGR throttle, etc.
Temperature at the particle emission filter inlet
Difference in pressure between the particle
emission filter inlet and outlet, informs the ECU
of exceeding of the max filter clogging
threshold and imposes regeneration as soon
as possible
Inlet air temperature allowed by the engine
ECU using the information from the sensor
incorporated into the air flowmeter or its model
(if sensor faulty).
Vehicle fitted with the particulate emission
filter.Inlet air temperature allowed by the engine
ECU depending on information from the
sensor located in the inlet manifold.If the air
temperature is too low during a particle filter
regeneration; the ECU closes the inlet air
heater throttle; then partially closes the EGR
throttle to increase the engine inlet temperature
Air flow entering the engine. A minimum value
is necessary to start regeneration of the
particle emission filter
The minimum additive level is calculated by the
Total weight of additive contained in
the particle filter 1722 mg
Additive reservoir volume 2800 Ml
Distance travelled since particulate
filter replacement 65535 km
Distance travelled since the last
regeneration 40 km
Average distance between the last 5
regenerations 13 km
Percentage of driving with the
engine cold during the last hour 19 %
Percentage of arduous urban
driving during the last hour 10 %
Percentage of average urban
driving during the last hour 54 %
Percentage of fast urban driving
during the last hour 15 %
Percentage of main road driving
during the last hour 1 %
Percentage of motorway driving
during the last hour 0 %
Percentage of driving with engine
cold 18 %
Percentage of arduous urban
driving during the last 6 hours 11 %
Percentage of average urban
driving during the last 6 hours 35 %
Percentage of fast urban driving
during the last 6 hours 14 %
Percentage of main road driving
during the last 6 hours 8 %
Percentage of motorway driving
during the last 6 hours 13 %
First additive operation done
information Carried out
Degree of clogging of the PEF with
soot 71 %
engine ECU according to the quantity of fuel
with additive injected
The ECU stores the distance travelled between
two regenerations.The difference between 2
regenerations can be from 1900 km (new PF)
to 800 km (PF at *4 km)
Filling of the pipe at end of line
The degree of clogging with soot of the particle
filter informs the ECU of the need to
Distance remaining before
replacement of the particle filter 40845 Km
Particulate filter regeneration too
frequent information
Regeneration too
frequent
regenerate the particle filter
The ECU counts down the distance remaining
to travel until filter cleaning
Information about particulate filter regeneration
frequency

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Re: Anti-pollution system faulty

Mesajde iulian.arg » Joi 02-Iul-2020 16:54

Toate cifrele alea relativ la incarcare, cantitate de particule, cantitate de aditiv, distanta ramasa si distanta prcursa de la inlocuirea filtrului sunt doar niste cifre calculate pe baza rulajului pana in momentul diagnozei.
Calculele se duc de multe ori in balarii si cu ele se duc si filtrele.

Cei mai buni indicatori pentru starea filtrului de particule sunt testarea vizuala a tevii de esapament sa fie curata, fara funingine neagra, si presiunea diferentiala imediat dupa o regenerare unde la o testare in mers in sarcina maxima nu ar trebui sa sara de 100 mBar

Asta pare sa fie filtrul de care ai nevoie:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DPF-DIESEL-PAR ... %7Ciid%3A1

In pozele puse de tine, filtrul de particule este partea din spate. Se desfac cele 4 suruburi care tin lipit catalizatorul care e in partea din fata si DPF-ul care e in partea din spate.

Linkurile puse de tine nu au legatura cu DPF-ul care-ti trebuie tie.
2.0-ul de 140 cai euro 5 este in mare parte identic cu RHR-ul euro 4 de 136 cai.
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Re: Anti-pollution system faulty

Mesajde luci84tm » Joi 02-Iul-2020 17:10

Mi au schimbat la service DPF-ul si acuma imi arata load 0%.
Am reusit si sa dau din diagbox replacement PEF si s-au resetat toate contoarele.

Ai dreptate legat de modelul de DPF, nu sunt cele din linkurile mele de mai sus.
E ceva similar cu cel din linkul tau, doar ca sunt mai multe modele aftermarket, unele sunt euro 4 altele euro 5.
Mie mi au montat unul euro 5:
https://www.pkwteile.de/hjs/12832932

Singurul lucru pe care nu au resusit sa l fac e sa mi completeze rezervorul cu aditiv.
Asta cred ca am sa fac eu singur, nu pare ceva f greu..

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Re: Anti-pollution system faulty

Mesajde iulian.arg » Joi 02-Iul-2020 21:50

Super.
Cat a costat filtrul in final?
Demontatul celui vechi a fost ok cu conducta cu tot?
Am observat si eu ca cele euro 5 sunt mai scumpe decat cele euro 4. Oricum sunt mult mai ieftine decat costau filtrele originale la inceputurile lor.
2-300 euro e o eliminare soft a filtrului.
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Anti-pollution system faulty

Mesajde luci84tm » Joi 02-Iul-2020 22:14

Filtrul e de la hjs parca si a costat 360€ + conducta 60-70€.
Conducta au pus o noua, pt ca e greu de dat jos fara sa o strici..
cred ca asa e prevazut si de citroen sa se inlocuiasca conducta o data cu filtrul.

schimbarea am facut o la service, manopera cu ceva reducere a ajuns pe la 150€.

Trebuie sa umplu rezervorul de aditiv acuma, mai are doar 1400ml, cam jumatate din cantitate..
Asta cred ca am sa o fac eu.

In DE nu m as risca sa dezactivez/ elimin dpf ul, nu cred ca as mai lua verificarea.

si o data schimbat filtrul, cu un pic de grija, probabil ma v a tine mult si bine de acuma inainte..

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Re: Anti-pollution system faulty

Mesajde luci84tm » Dum 05-Iul-2020 10:19

Mai am o ultima nelamurire cu DPF ul
In diagbox imi scrie ca in rezervorul de aditiv mai am 1416ml din 2800.
Am bagat 1 litru ieri si nu a dat afara pe retur, ceea ce e ok, daca nivelul estimat e corect, probabil mai are nevoie de 400ml.
In diagbox nu am reusit sa corectez nivelul din tank.
De ce nu pot din diabgox sa corectez/ dau reset la nivelul de aditiv?


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Re: Anti-pollution system faulty

Mesajde iulian.arg » Mie 08-Iul-2020 17:02

Din cate stiu, nu este senzor de nivel pentru aditiv ci doar senzor de nivel scazut.
Si tot din cate stiu, cantitatea aia e doar o estimare nu e o valoare reala.
Poti merge linistit fara sa-i faci reset. Nu o sa ai probleme cu aditivul pentru 100k km cel putin.
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Re: Anti-pollution system faulty

Mesajde luci84tm » Mar 14-Iul-2020 21:32

am mai luat un litru si am umplut rezervorul pana a dat afara pe retour.
Am reusit dupa aceea sa resetez volumul recunoscut de ECU.
Acuma e totul ok, sper sa ramana asa.
Am mai avut o eroare de EGR, am sa monitorizez daca mai apare..


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Re: Anti-pollution system faulty

Mesajde luci84tm » Lun 07-Sep-2020 21:42

Dupa doua luni s a infundat iara filtrul.
Nu stiu care poate fi cauza.
Am comandat un senzor nou de presiune diferential pt DPF, poate totusi sensorul da semnal fals.

Nu imi pot da seama exact ce il poate infunda asa repede, dupa 3500 km..

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Re: Anti-pollution system faulty

Mesajde luci84tm » Mar 08-Sep-2020 08:56

Am o eroare de EGR care apare in mod constant si random in acelasi timp in logurile de eroare.
250075 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local

Poate fi cumva EGR ul care ramane deschis si nu permite o regenerare corecta a DPF ?

Sunt un pic intr-o situatie disperata, daca cineva are idei ce ar putea cauza infundare, va rog sa mi spuneti...

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250118 km P1671 Engine management ECU Cruise control information incoherent distant
250075 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
250074 km P1671 Engine management ECU Cruise control information incoherent distant
250074 km P1447 Engine management ECU Differential exhaust pressure signal particle filter clogged local
250074 km P1671 Engine management ECU Cruise control information incoherent distant
250074 km P1447 Engine management ECU Differential exhaust pressure signal particle filter clogged local
250074 km P1671 Engine management ECU Cruise control information incoherent distant
250074 km P1447 Engine management ECU Differential exhaust pressure signal particle filter clogged local
250074 km P1671 Engine management ECU Cruise control information incoherent distant
250074 km P1671 Engine management ECU Cruise control information incoherent distant
250074 km P1671 Engine management ECU Cruise control information incoherent distant
250012 km P1671 Engine management ECU Cruise control information incoherent distant
250012 km P1447 Engine management ECU Differential exhaust pressure signal particle filter clogged local
250007 km F00A Rain and light sensor Fault: CAN not defined. Local
250007 km F088 Telematic unit (RTx) or audio-navigation No communications with the CD changer not characterised. Local
250007 km F020 Telematic unit (RTx) or audio-navigation Fault: no communication with air conditioning ECU not characterised. Local
250007 km F020 Telematic unit (RTx) or audio-navigation Fault: no communication with air conditioning ECU not characterised. Local
250007 km F088 Telematic unit (RTx) or audio-navigation No communications with the CD changer notcharacterised. Local
250007 km F088 Built-in Systems Interface No communication with the CD changer ECU not characterised local
250007 km P1671 Engine management ECU Cruise control information incoherent distant
250007 km P1671 Engine management ECU Cruise control information incoherent distant
249999 km P1671 Engine management ECU Cruise control information incoherent distant
249999 km P1447 Engine management ECU Differential exhaust pressure signal particle filter clogged local
249978 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
249978 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
249894 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
249894 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
249725 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249725 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249557 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
249548 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249548 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249472 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249472 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249462 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249420 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
249410 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249372 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
249289 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249289 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249284 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249282 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249274 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249274 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249273 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249272 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249211 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
249209 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249203 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
249200 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
249200 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
249152 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
249152 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
248668 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
248667 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
248644 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
248563 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
248562 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
248551 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
248550 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
248524 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
248524 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
248519 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
248519 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
248507 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
248507 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
248494 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
248494 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
248084 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
248033 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
248033 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
248028 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
248028 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
248027 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
248027 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
248024 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
248024 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
248020 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
248020 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
247925 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
247816 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
247784 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
247771 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
247771 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
247734 km P1163 Engine management ECU Injectors fault : resetting of the injectors local
247677 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
247165 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
247165 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
247052 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
247037 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
247026 km A4C5 Built-in Systems Interface Fault: illumination of the third brake lamp short circuit to positive local
247006 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
247006 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
246973 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
246973 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
246937 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
246894 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
246885 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
246885 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised. Local
246880 km F00A Rain and light sensor Fault: CAN not defined. Local

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Re: Anti-pollution system faulty

Mesajde iulian.arg » Mie 16-Sep-2020 10:46

Daca ar ramane EGR-ul deschis, masina nu ar avea vlaga.
Dar o eroare a EGR-ului poate impiedica regenerarea.
Daca ai o diagnoza, verifica si incearca sa faci urmatoarele:
- vezi ce distanta ai intre ultimile regenerari.
- verifica ce presiune diferentiala ai, preferabil in mers in sarcina maxima. Daca ai intre 1-2-300 mbar, filtrul e ok.
- incearca sa faci o regenerare fortata
- mai fa odata procedura soft de inlocuire DPF
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Re: Anti-pollution system faulty

Mesajde luci84tm » Joi 17-Sep-2020 21:04

De cand imi apare eroare de DPF in bord masina nu mai trage, nu mai are vlaga.

EGR-ul cred ca a avut probleme, deoarece apareau erori regulate in BSI Fault Journal (P1471).
Intre timp am schimbat EGR ul cu unul nou si eroarea P1471 nu mai apare in loguri pana acuma.
in PEF info: acuma imi pare ca regenerarea este activa. adica incearca sa o faca, dar nu reuseste.
Am impresia ca daca as fi schimbat EGR-ul impreuna cu DPF ul acuma 2 luni, nu cred ca s ar mai fi infundat.


Distanta dintre regenerari la ultimul Diagbox a fost 48km (f. des).
Presiunea in mers nu pot spune exact ca nu mai tin minte dar cred ca era in jur de 200-300 mBar.
In schimb am o presiune la relanti cu motorul cald de 20-25 mBar, cu motorul rece ajunge si la 30 si..
Regenerare stationara fortata am incercat, dar nu a fost cu succes. (Motorul a stat 7 min la 4000rpm), dupa care acceasi eroare permanenta imi apare in bord: anti-pollution system faulty.

Crezi ca in conditiile de fata daca as face procedura de inlocuire DPF via Diagbox ar ajuta la ceva ?
Planul meu este sa curat filtrul vechi si sa l pun pe masina, sa vad daca se mai infunda.
Sper ca EGR ul sa fi fost cauza problemelor si cred ca el mi-a infundat DPF ul nou dupa 3500km.

Datele de la PEF la relanti motor cald, dupa regenerare fortata:
    Particle emission filter load 46 %
    Total weight of soot in the particle filter 12.91 G
    Status of the regeneration Active
    Difference in pressure between particulate emission filter input/output 20 mbars
    Air flow sensor air temperature 42 °C
    Air temperature at inlet manifold 43 °C
    Power consuming equipment activation request No
    Air flow volume 30 l/h
    Amount of additive in the additive tank 2758 Ml
    Total weight of additive contained in the particle filter 24 mg
    Additive reservoir volume 2800 Ml
    Distance travelled since particulate filter replacement 3576 km
    Distance travelled since the last regeneration 10 km
    Average distance between the last 5 regenerations 48 km
    First additive operation done information Carried out
    Degree of clogging of the PEF with soot 0 %
    Distance remaining before replacement of the particle filter 296424 Km
    Particulate filter regeneration too frequent information: Regeneration too frequent


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